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Patek Philippe Calatrava 3919J | Pacific Bay WatchPatek Philippe Calatrava 3919J – Pacific Bay Watch

Patek Philippe Calatrava 3919J Stock #: WP0214 Brand: Patek Philippe Series: Calatrava Model: 3919J Discontinued Please Inquire Inquire Trade-In

Condition: New
Gender: Men’s
Dial Color: White
Case: 18k Yellow Gold 32mm
Strap: Crocodile Leather
Bezel: 18k Yellow Gold
Crystal: Scratch Resistant Sapphire
Movement: Manual Wind
Water Resistant: 30m / 100ft
Box: Yes
Papers: Yes
Certificate of Authenticity: Yespatek philippe calatrava 5119 reviewr> Warranty: Yes

Additional Information:
Brand new Patek Philippe Calatrava gent's watch, Model # 3919J.
18kt yellow gold 32mm case with a black leather strap and 18k yellow gold pin buckle. Manual wind movement. Hours, minutes and small seconds. White dial. Power reserve 42 hours. Roman numeral hour markers.
 

Also known as:
Patak, Phillipe, Phillippe, 3919, 3919J, 3919 J

Subject To Availability


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Watch Guy Watch repair blog Main menu Skip to primary content Skip to secondary content Home About FAQ Price List Book Service Contact Links Tracking Photo Library Post navigation ← Previous Next → If you thought of buying a Patek Philippe… Posted on June 13, 2014 by Christian

As the discussion about the free supply of spare parts to the market has flared up with Omega’s decision to cut off the supply as of 1/1/2016, let me show you where a completely non-existent supply of parts leads. Just if you contemplate buying an Omega in the future…

I got approached by Francis, who has a pretty beaten up Patek Philippe, and he wanted a quote, which I gave him. He mentioned that he had gotten a quote from PP, and I was of course interested!

The watch is in pretty bad nick, as you can see from these photos.

The case will need some work as well! Badly scratched throughout, but still good enough to restore.

So my idea here would be about £200 or so for the case, as some filling in will be necessary. All the screws will need polishing, and some spare parts would be nice if they would be available. So if it were something with freely available parts, I’d say another £300 or so on parts, and £250 to put it all together. A dial restoration at £100, and that should round up things. So we would be looking at £850 or so.

Now let’s see what Patek Philippe came back with. Please sit down, get a glass of wine, or better, something stronger, and multiply your estimates by quite a lot.

Here we go:

Product restoration: €2655 This includes the disassembly and examination of all components, replacement, cleaning, hand finishing and adjustment of basic movement parts as necessary, crown, lubrication and regulation.

Dial restoration: €1745 This is a painstaking process of removing each individual layer of fired glaze, the meticulous refinishing of the dial to retain as many of its original detail, followed by the re-glazing of the dial by applying individual layers of lacquer then firing and polishing each individual layer.

Laser work: €500 With wear and damage the original specifications of the watch case have suffered from their life of wear, Patek  Philippe offer the unique ability to laser correct and repair the watch case, lugs and horns as close to the watch’s original splendour.

Crocodile strap: €435 To supply and fit a genuine crocodile leather strap in keeping with the watch’s original aesthetic

18k Yellow gold buckle: €725 To supply and fit an appropriate  Patek  Philippe genuine buckle.

Archive extract: €195 Patek  Philippe keeps a written record of every single watch they have produced since their inception in 1839. The extract will give the original records of the watch’s provenance.

At a total of EUR 6,225, a bargain!

This is what happens if a manufacturer is allowed to have a monopoly on their spare parts.

 

This entry was posted in Wrist Watches by Christian. Bookmark the permalink. 41 thoughts on “ If you thought of buying a Patek Philippe… ” Stephen on May 31, 2017 at 15:18 said:

Much as I love mechanicals, and especially vintage mechanicals, the maintenance costs and the current direction of the “houses” has steered me in a direction I never expected to venture: high end quartz. Even so, I will probably always keep one or two mechanicals around – which hopefully won’t be too challenging to find parts for. I also wonder about the future possibilities for 3d-print fabrication of parts.

Reply ↓ andy p on March 20, 2017 at 12:10 said:

An amusing follow up to this extremely interesting blog post.. i bought a gold 1930s Patek last year in London for £7.5k + dropped it off at the shop in Geneva earlier this month for a restoration quote. They’ve just come back to me.. £12,800 for the full, two year job. The question is, would i see any of this money back if i was forced to sell it in the future?? See the original sale ad here: https://www.watches.co.uk/archived-watch/16683/patek-philippe-vintage-gents-18ct-439/?filter=%26fl4%3D47&rpp=16

Reply ↓ marianne newell on May 18, 2016 at 17:25 said:

My husband was given a Patek Phillipe in recognition for service and it has something broken inside. He thinks it is the bottom bearing for the shaft of winding mechanism. We have asked various watchrepairers in the UK and France – we now live in Italy but they all say we should send to PP in Geneva. Our last guy even asked a dentist to effect a repair with laser equipment but he didn’t mange it. Do you think you could have a look – I am really sad that he can’t wear it any more. The watch was presented in 1971 and had a document saying it had a lifetime guarantee – bet they didn’t mean it ! Marianne Newell

Reply ↓ Christian on May 18, 2016 at 17:27 said:

Hi Marianne,

I would contact PP with a copy of the warranty and ask them if they honour the contract.

Best regards,

Christian

Reply ↓ Stefan on September 20, 2014 at 18:53 said:

Well, while I might prefer sending my watch to you, it is always the decision of the customer what he wants. What I want to point out here is : you don’t need the buckle and the strap, if you want it you have to pay for it – it is as simple as that. Second, what Patek is doing is restoring the case – not simply polishing it. So this is also something else and it is the customers decision to have it done or not. If for example I only want the movement done, and this one is in bad shape, I get one like new from Patek, I only get w very god CLA from you, but I will still have scratched bridges, but a great running watch, showing it’s age with dignity for something over 1000EUR, or I get a complete package and a like new watch from Patek at six times your price. Depending on state and emotion, I might go for one or the other option. I am actually happy that both choices are possible.

Regards, Stefan

Reply ↓ Rob on November 12, 2016 at 18:22 said:

I agree wholehearted with Stefan These aren’t comparable options. If you are unsatisfied with your watch, in it’s current condition, then there are two alternatives: – do a superficial refurbishment to put the watch into a useable state, or – have a complete upgrading to put the watch into pristine state i am a PP owner who values my watches for what they are, and not their financial value, however….. The additional 5,000 euro cost for the PP upgrade will increase the value of the watch by a similar amount or most. So you can’t just look at the cost, but also the increase in the value of your asset!

Reply ↓ Christian on November 12, 2016 at 19:28 said:

I guess that depends on the model. A Calatrava with an EUR 5000 repair bill won’t be worth the original value + the EUR 5000. With higher priced models, I completely agree.

Reply ↓ Ken on July 27, 2014 at 19:56 said:

I’ve got a relatively new Omega Speedmaster Cal 1861. Should I be worried? The watch has been in production for so long that there should be enough donor movements to make parts readily available, right? I would have a different concern if the movement was a co-axial.

Reply ↓ Christian on July 27, 2014 at 21:01 said:

You will be fine for years to come… This will take quite a while to have a real effect.

Reply ↓ Andrew R on July 6, 2014 at 19:17 said:

To be honest, I don’t think that the restriction of Omega spares will change things much for the vintage Omega collector. I have a few vintage Omegas for which spares have been unavailable for many years – the only solution is to have a donor movement. Fortunately, vintage Omegas were superbly over-engineered and should last many lifetimes with regular servicing – some of mine were made in the 1930s and still work faultlessly. The same probably cannot be said for modern Omegas which, lets face it, are not built to last. I personally wouldn’t buy a modern Omega (or Rolex or Breitling or Panerai or…..) for that reason alone. Omega are going the same way as Rolex so vote with your feet is my advice.

Cheers

Reply ↓ Bert on July 4, 2014 at 13:39 said:

Well, ever since rare watches, and Patek Philippe being one of them, have been bought up as investments by the like of Philip Stahl http://rolexpassionreport.com/Rolex.pdf, et al, would almost force the manufacturer to completely control what happens to their watches in order to keep the investment value up. Ferrari Classiche reports, Porsche Classic certificates, Aston Martin Works Service, and now the watches as well. Rolex apparently causes regularly great upset by polishing the cases of 1960-ties watches and replacing dials of nicely patinated watches with new ones. It was my understanding that Rolex owns the copyright to the watch and by that extension, if your watch is being serviced, they have the right to bring it into a “as new” condition without returning of the old items. Which brings a whole lot of upset and anger amongst the community as “wabi” aficionado’s.

As with any PP or old Omega, I’d guess that I’d have it serviced as much as possible by Christian, and then send it for a minor replacement part off to the manufacturer and forget about the summer and winter holiday?